this will be a moderating nightmare, but I just HAVE to get this stuff off my chest. I would vow to make sure I would keep this thread in control but because I only spend 30 minutes online everyday it's not a promise I'm likely to keep...
I would like this to stay open and I ask every single one of you to act as civilised as possible. Don't have enough time to carefully word your responses so as to not offend others? don't post. leave it and come back to it when you have more time.
I made this one to hear people's perspectives and beliefs so that we can all discuss them and hopefully form a more informed outlook on life.
Now I myself am a Muslim. some of you who don't know me well might be surprised and I ask you to clear your mind out of all the images you've seen of the mid east in the news and precieve Islam as impartially as you can.
Now onto the definition of a Muslim, A muslim literally means one who has submitted to God's will. Feel free to bounce questions off me about Islam and I'll be sure to do the same for you guys.
before I finish, I would just like you all to pay close attention to this, I am used to very aggressive theological debates and therefore I might sound a little arrogant every once in a while. If you are offended by one of my posts, PM me immidiately and I'll try to justify my position more clearly and maybe edit my post so as to not cause unnessecary trouble.
*takes a deep breath*
Full Version: World Religions and perspectives...
Either I just missed it or something else... but am I getting this right: This thread is basically for discussion and debates of each person's religion and religious beliefs, right?
I will not be partaking in this thread for the fact that I, by nature, fight with people, so, for the sake of being a responsible admin, I will just sit here and moderate this thread more closely than any other thread.
Any demeaning remarks or attempts to put someone down for their beliefs, or lack thereof, will not be tolerated at all. Posts will be removed immediately
Any demeaning remarks or attempts to put someone down for their beliefs, or lack thereof, will not be tolerated at all. Posts will be removed immediately
| QUOTE (GTX5_Crusader @ Feb 25 2004, 06:37 PM) |
| Either I just missed it or something else... but am I getting this right: This thread is basically for discussion and debates of each person's religion and religious beliefs, right? |
well, I created this so that we may learn of each other outlooks on life and understand why one chooses a particular religion/belief system.
I do believe that we all know each other well enough to be able to keep a civilised and friendly discussion without offending others.
some people think that theology is not worth talking about, they simply don't understand how deeply it affects people's lives and their behaiviour. Some maintain that anything you could possibly talk about has already been talked about or that if you were born a christian/whatever, you should just stick with it and not spare it a single thought.
Obviously, I disagree with that school of thought, I believe you need to have a clear vivid perspective on life that you can satisfiably defend, if you wish to lead a successful life, plus you feel a lot better inside
.I personally believe I have much better grounded beliefs and values today than I did 2/3 years ago, why? Because, I started having my beliefs challenged, so they changed, they evolved and now I almost feel like a completely different person.
p.s. thanks for the support BB, feel free to post your thoughts though.
ok guyz, im a hindu. Like rezza said, feel free to ask any questions you like!
If i offend anyone, plz PM me and ill change whatever i said.
@Rezza : I wuznt surprised, it was pretty obvious
If i offend anyone, plz PM me and ill change whatever i said.
@Rezza : I wuznt surprised, it was pretty obvious
One thing I once heard my mom talk to another lady about was how it doesn't matter what religion you're in because all major religions teach "good" stuff as opposed to "evil."
| QUOTE (Kenut @ Feb 25 2004, 09:59 AM) |
| One thing I once heard my mom talk to another lady about was how it doesn't matter what religion you're in because all major religions teach "good" stuff as opposed to "evil." |
She's correct. There is no "right" religion.
I'm not anything. The world was once flat and our knowledge is still far too limited to know what the truth really is.
Also, I have never seen a vision or learned a secret that would damn or save my soul. Not to mention the number of flaws in organized religion.
i will refrain from this topic.... ican already see its being taken lightly...
| QUOTE (snocked @ Feb 25 2004, 04:27 PM) | ||
She's correct. There is no "right" religion. |
I am a follower of Christ - A Christian, but we have to define that a little more carefully since many who call themselves Christian do not necessarily believe that Jesus was divine - the Son of God. I do.
Anyway, to say that all religions are correct or right or all lead to God is just pointless. The central beliefs for the major religions are contradictory. For instance a Muslim does not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He or she holds him to be an important prophet, but to believe the Jesus is the Son of God, as he claimed to be, would make her a Christian. So when Jesus says, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father (God) except through me" he is establishing exclusivity - no one gets to a relationship with God or is in favor with God unless he believes this. Each of us, who are so inclined, must decide on the validity of this claim. If Jesus is the son of God then the Muslim or Hindu or even someone who calls themselves a Christian, or whomever else, who does not believe that Jesus is God is off track. Also, if Jesus is not the Son of God, as he claimed to be, then the Christian does not have a path to God or salvation. To say that all religions lead to God is an idea that does not hold much meaning for the Muslim, or the Christian (or at least this Christian). It only seems to work for those who do not have a faith, but in this situation one does not believe there is a God or doesn't know and in this case a relationship with God is not even considered a useful option, hence are also off track if there is indeed a God.
I hope that people will investigate the truth claims of each religion and decide for themselves who has it right, if any do, because we don't all have it right. The truth is there for people to discover.
I probably won't be here much to respond to this post.
My religion is Vampirism... which is actually a religion that most vampires believe in... The Temple has written a Vampirism bible before... ( The Temple is a Vampire teaching/religion place in Lacy, Washington, USA) ... We do not believe in "god" or the "devil" or Hell or Heaven or an afterlife... We view ourselves as gods or powerful... Vampires are the top of the "food chain" as we are higher than humans......
| QUOTE (chrisrob @ Feb 25 2004, 09:05 PM) | ||||
I am a follower of Christ - A Christian, but we have to define that a little more carefully since many who call themselves Christian do not necessarily believe that Jesus was divine - the Son of God. I do. Anyway, to say that all religions are correct or right or all lead to God is just pointless. The central beliefs for the major religions are contradictory. For instance a Muslim does not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He or she holds him to be an important prophet, but to believe the Jesus is the Son of God, as he claimed to be, would make her a Christian. So when Jesus says, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father (God) except through me" he is establishing exclusivity - no one gets to a relationship with God or is in favor with God unless he believes this. Each of us, who are so inclined, must decide on the validity of this claim. If Jesus is the son of God then the Muslim or Hindu or even someone who calls themselves a Christian, or whomever else, who does not believe that Jesus is God is off track. Also, if Jesus is not the Son of God, as he claimed to be, then the Christian does not have a path to God or salvation. To say that all religions lead to God is an idea that does not hold much meaning for the Muslim, or the Christian (or at least this Christian). It only seems to work for those who do not have a faith, but in this situation one does not believe there is a God or doesn't know and in this case a relationship with God is not even considered a useful option, hence are also off track if there is indeed a God. I hope that people will investigate the truth claims of each religion and decide for themselves who has it right, if any do, because we don't all have it right. The truth is there for people to discover. I probably won't be here much to respond to this post. |
What I was trying to say was, all major religions teach people to be good. For example, all major religions teach people to do good deeds etc.. Aren't the lessons that people take away from their religion the bottomline? All the major religions are good for you (if you need it).
Well, first off, for those of you that answered, kudo's to you for not turning this into a flame fest. It is refreshing to see people act maturely.
Simply put, I'm an agnostic: I in a higher being, a creater but won't define him as God, but take the freedom's given to me and make the best decisions I can given the circumstances. I try to live my life how "I" feel God would want me to. I'm not going to let someone who claims to be closer to a purely spiritual being tell me how he wants me to live. Period. I have read the Bible (when I was a child being drug religion to religion by my father who couldn't decide what suited him spiritually) and have since growing up using it as nothing more then a reference guide, not the absolute handbook of how I should live my life. In my opinion, to do so would be insane. I don't go to churches and worship, I find when I'm in need of spiritual guidence, I head to the places that make me feel calm, be it in a room by myself, in the woods or on a mountain top. Free will is the most important part of my belief. As to an after life, who knows, I know I don't. I'd like to think there is a place where "good" and "bad" people when we die, but for all I know, there's nothing beyond oblivion after we die.
For all of those folks out there that I might have offended with any remarks above, I apologize, that wasn't my intention. If any of you mods feel I have err'd, please edit or remove my post.
Simply put, I'm an agnostic: I in a higher being, a creater but won't define him as God, but take the freedom's given to me and make the best decisions I can given the circumstances. I try to live my life how "I" feel God would want me to. I'm not going to let someone who claims to be closer to a purely spiritual being tell me how he wants me to live. Period. I have read the Bible (when I was a child being drug religion to religion by my father who couldn't decide what suited him spiritually) and have since growing up using it as nothing more then a reference guide, not the absolute handbook of how I should live my life. In my opinion, to do so would be insane. I don't go to churches and worship, I find when I'm in need of spiritual guidence, I head to the places that make me feel calm, be it in a room by myself, in the woods or on a mountain top. Free will is the most important part of my belief. As to an after life, who knows, I know I don't. I'd like to think there is a place where "good" and "bad" people when we die, but for all I know, there's nothing beyond oblivion after we die.
For all of those folks out there that I might have offended with any remarks above, I apologize, that wasn't my intention. If any of you mods feel I have err'd, please edit or remove my post.
| QUOTE (Kenut @ Feb 25 2004, 09:16 PM) |
| What I was trying to say was, all major religions teach people to be good. For example, all major religions teach people to do good deeds etc.. Aren't the lessons that people take away from their religion the bottomline? All the major religions are good for you (if you need it). |
Christ tells us to love God, love our neighbour as our self. So yes, as a Christian, we strive to be good. There is truth in all the major religions, and I think you are right in saying that they all teach us to be good, but being good is not good enough according to what Christ teaches. That is pretty well all that I was trying to point out.
theres partial truth in that kenut. What differenciates religions is not whether they want to do good to others, but they become different in the little things such as what is moraly right and wrong, etc.
| QUOTE (Deftone @ Feb 25 2004, 09:29 PM) |
| theres partial truth in that kenut. What differenciates religions is not whether they want to do good to others, but they become different in the little things such as what is moraly right and wrong, etc. |
Could you give me an example? I'm not in any religion so I see your point but I can't bring up any examples.
for example, certain ways to attain truths or ethics. Confession is often debated, abortion, and cloning are matters not all religions have the same standpoint on. Some religions even have deep traces of recism inbedded in them.
Another thing... I have read parts of the Satanist's Bible.. I am not Satanist.. I already stated that I was Vampirist.. but I agree with a lot of the stuff in the satanist's bible... interesting religion.....
| QUOTE (——Vampyric—— @ Feb 25 2004, 09:05 PM) |
| My religion is Vampirism... which is actually a religion that most vampires believe in... The Temple has written a Vampirism bible before... ( The Temple is a Vampire teaching/religion place in Lacy, Washington, USA) ... We do not believe in "god" or the "devil" or Hell or Heaven or an afterlife... We view ourselves as gods or powerful... Vampires are the top of the "food chain" as we are higher than humans...... |
I don't mean to offend or mock you when I ask this but don't vampires live forever? Do you expect to live forever?
Also...Don't vampires melt in sunlight...?
NO NO NO ... MYTH! ... Vampires are a little SENSITIVE to sunlight..but it will not kill us.... and as for immortality... well... I don't know...it could be a kind of Vamp or the purity of the vamp that affects it... as for me... I do not know if i am immortal or not... and well... I'm not really ready to test that theory..lol
But your signature says we humans should bow down to you because you are superior...you are a god...
Gods...don't die...
Gods...don't die...
Depends what your definition of god is...for what I know for now... we are powerful and have abilities....this is religion not Vampire post/forum thing lol... I'll open one on Vampirism for questions and discussion on Vampirism
It is illogical to say one religion is the right one while it is also extremely illogical to state one knows there is or isn't a god with 100% positivite. I don't see faith as having anything to do with the matter, I do however see the environment in which you were brought up as having a great influence (Kenut should know a great deal about this... behaviorism). I myself am an militant agnostic. If I were to chose between being religious and an atheist I'd chose atheist but I see atheism as being just as convoluted as religion. As for the comments on the teachings of the bible, I agree, it's the people that take the bible literally that frustrate me. Logicality is my only religion, so to speak, therefore I have no need for religion. People who say something like "those who have no religion are morons" make me steaming-red mad. This conservative christian at school once said this; it pissed me off so much. I don't believe in a hell, heaven, devil, and god. The previous statement I just made proves I'm an atheist. It keeps coming out when I talk on matters like this even though I keep saying I'm an agnostic and think atheism is flawing. Freudian slip, I don't know. Am I subconsciously atheist... I hope not. If I am I don't consider it the same as others (not definite/concrete). I may know why it is this keeps happening... it may be because I'm an agnostic bordering atheist. Here's an interesting one (if I don't have sufficient proof feel free to flood me with bible references). Why is that god, a super entity, condemns you to the depths of hell if you don't wish to conform to religion (believe in him). Doesn't that seem a little childish? If he's going to behave such as this, he's sure as hell not my god.
That's all I can think of to say right now but I'm sure dozens of other points will come to mind later. If I've offended anyone you have most likely misread my statements and I therefore suggest you reread, if you are then still offended pm me. If my lack of capitalization with words such as god, him (when referring to god), and whatever else offends you please pm me, I have certain reasons for doing this. I'd like to say it's subconscious/involuntary/automatic but I can't.
That's all I can think of to say right now but I'm sure dozens of other points will come to mind later. If I've offended anyone you have most likely misread my statements and I therefore suggest you reread, if you are then still offended pm me. If my lack of capitalization with words such as god, him (when referring to god), and whatever else offends you please pm me, I have certain reasons for doing this. I'd like to say it's subconscious/involuntary/automatic but I can't.
| QUOTE (chrisrob @ Feb 25 2004, 04:28 PM) |
| Christ tells us to love God, love our neighbour as our self. So yes, as a Christian, we strive to be good. There is truth in all the major religions, and I think you are right in saying that they all teach us to be good, but being good is not good enough according to what Christ teaches. That is pretty well all that I was trying to point out. |
I rely on common sense to form my judgements. I know very, very little about god; my brain stores and sends the morals. I don't need a book (I mean, bible) to tell me what they should and shouldn't be, many people do and that's fine, anything to keep this society civilized or in check.
| QUOTE (Vampyric @ Posted: Feb 25 2004, 04:05 PM) |
| My religion is Vampirism... which is actually a religion that most vampires believe in... The Temple has written a Vampirism bible before... ( The Temple is a Vampire teaching/religion place in Lacy, Washington, USA) ... We do not believe in "god" or the "devil" or Hell or Heaven or an afterlife... We view ourselves as gods or powerful... Vampires are the top of the "food chain" as we are higher than humans...... |
Doesn't the whole "I am god" belief seem a tad egotistical to you?
| QUOTE |
| Depends what your definition of god is...for what I know for now... we are powerful and have abilities....this is religion not Vampire post/forum thing lol... I'll open one on Vampirism for questions and discussion on Vampirism |
This is just superstitious. Are we in a comic book? No one has special powers.
| QUOTE |
| NO NO NO ... MYTH! ... Vampires are a little SENSITIVE to sunlight..but it will not kill us.... and as for immortality... well... I don't know...it could be a kind of Vamp or the purity of the vamp that affects it... as for me... I do not know if i am immortal or not... and well... I'm not really ready to test that theory..lol |
I'm awfully sensitive to light... moreso than others... am I a vampire?
uh... php that was being closed minded,...yes poepel do have powers... for example..everyone has telepathic abilities..just people need to find that ability within their minds and use it
I don't see it as being closed-minded, if you think it through I suppose there are certain cases of "special powers". First you have to define what you consider to be a special power. Do people really have telepathic abilities? I can occasionally fill in the blank of someone else's sentence but I consider this to be coincidence and/or having a sense of the person's general personality and views. I may be able to at least think I can read someone else's mind by their gestures, secretion, movements (similar to gestures), etc but I'm in this case there are external hints. The brain is far too complex to read others' minds accurately.
I believe Ronald McDonald is the Christ reborn.... over 11 billion served I mean who else could feed the world a hamburger ? On a more realistic note I suspect that God is neither good nor evil in all probability god would be beyond our understanding.
i must agree with PHP in the sense that it makes more sense to think of humans with exceptional feats than vampires.
This thread is becoming moronic. Keep it serious or I'm going to close it.
ok Vampires do not sleep in coffins ,we are not undead ,we have heightened senses, we NEED blood..yes we have tried not having blood without it we get very weak.. Deftone - my gf is not a Vampire.... but she understands that I am...I guess we can discuss Vampirism in here... sorry bang bang for opening a thread on it i jsut didnt want to change the topic from religion to vampires in this thread....anyweay...
Good and evil is really a human concept. Evil as Evil does not trully exist but Evil is the absense of Good, rather than the pressense of "Evil" . Im not sure i made that clear, but basically u have good, and when good is missing, u can call that bad or evil. So god would in a sense be neither because Good and Evil we created in our language, and since he is beyond that , it wouldnt apply. However, to think of a perfect being, I think in human terms we must say he has both good and evil, in order to create a balance. Though we cant know for sure, at least not me, I havent talked to God face to face yet.
ok...well I was looking to see if there was anyone who knew the truth that Vampires exist....but vwell we do exist..and if ya want a website with the TRUTH about vamps... and lots of information... Truth about Vampires..
Have there been any research where it showed someone who was a "vampire" really did have abilities superior to humans?
Also, could you find a site that takes a more neutral stance instead of one that is biased towards the existence of vampires.
I'm also curious as to what type of blood do you drink? What happens if you don't drink blood? How much do you drink?
I've just never heard of a vampire religion...So many questions.
Also, could you find a site that takes a more neutral stance instead of one that is biased towards the existence of vampires.
I'm also curious as to what type of blood do you drink? What happens if you don't drink blood? How much do you drink?
I've just never heard of a vampire religion...So many questions.
umm there probably has been research but the governemnt would cover it up jsut liek everything else that isnt "normal"...plus we do not wish to be examined/proven..... they would jsut kill us... we drink blood about once every 3 days... we need blood..without it we get very weak mentally and psysically...im not veen talknig about a vampire religion..im talking about the existance of vampires and that I am a vampire..........
Are you joking or do you really think you're a vampire and believe in special powers such as telepathic abilities?
Main Entry:vampire
Pronunciation:*vam-*p*r
Function:noun
Etymology:French, from German Vampir, from Serbo-Croatian vampir
Date:1734
1 : the reanimated body of a dead person believed to come from the grave at night and suck the blood of persons asleep
Erm... so you're really a reanimated corpse that arises at night to drink blood? Do you suck the necks of others' or just drink a cup of blood? I'm not exactly sure what you are but I know I don't understand (I don't get it, I don't get it, let's make it a bug -Big). How do you go about drinking blood.
If you're taking the definition literally then you must have died at some point. When was that?
Main Entry:vampire
Pronunciation:*vam-*p*r
Function:noun
Etymology:French, from German Vampir, from Serbo-Croatian vampir
Date:1734
1 : the reanimated body of a dead person believed to come from the grave at night and suck the blood of persons asleep
Erm... so you're really a reanimated corpse that arises at night to drink blood? Do you suck the necks of others' or just drink a cup of blood? I'm not exactly sure what you are but I know I don't understand (I don't get it, I don't get it, let's make it a bug -Big). How do you go about drinking blood.
If you're taking the definition literally then you must have died at some point. When was that?
WE ARE NOT UNDEAD WE DO NOT RISE FROM THE GRAVE THE ORIGINAL SPELLING WAS VAMPYRE... it was changed a lnog time back as a result of a mistake.... and I KNOW that I am a vampyre....not think.....we dont suck the necks of others becasue that would kill the person(duh)... and we get our blood from willing doners(like friends and goths) and we maek small incisions and suck the blood being careful...
What makes you a vampire? Just the fact that you drink blood? If so, this is just a strange dietary decision?
WELL....I kinda gave you a website that described what makes a vampire...but you know..you're probably jsut too lazy to read like most people.... 
i gave it a look...although I must confess the colors they chose make it hard on the eyes...and given that vampyres are light sensitive, i dun see how that would help them view the site either
LOL Deftone ya gotta point there.. I didn't make the website lol...
This only coming because I took web design for a long time, and they got Terrible Terrible design there. But at least the info is interesting, if u pass it to a note pad document hehe. Anyway, i find it interesting to discover new beliefs and such, even though i still remain a Catholic. Knowing about other religions makes me a fuller person in my opinion.
lol man..its not just a religion im talking about.. I'm talking about Vampires in general lol since bang bang told me to talk about them on this thread lol
Close this thread immediately. A teen has ruined it with an invalid religion.
I've challenged and defeated vampirism in debates before. This is not any different. Same old story.
I've challenged and defeated vampirism in debates before. This is not any different. Same old story.
i know i just wanted to switch to the original topic.
Vampirizm must be the most retarded thing I have heard in my lifetime, frankly it is quite dumb, just another cult (a cult a cult yes it's a cult)
you are not smarter faster or stronger when you drink blood, if you believe so so blindly you are nieve and stupid
I have tried to stay out of this because strife was inevitable, but I just had to post on this little bit of fiction, I find it rather funny that anyone let alone great numbers would partake in this, but then again there are some crrrrrraaaaaazzzzzzy people out there
I find it blasphemous, and perhaps unforgivable in the end (well a couple things) but I cannot judge your destiny
you are not smarter faster or stronger when you drink blood, if you believe so so blindly you are nieve and stupid
I have tried to stay out of this because strife was inevitable, but I just had to post on this little bit of fiction, I find it rather funny that anyone let alone great numbers would partake in this, but then again there are some crrrrrraaaaaazzzzzzy people out there
I find it blasphemous, and perhaps unforgivable in the end (well a couple things) but I cannot judge your destiny
And magic oOoOoooOOOoOo ROTFL (laughs for quite some time)
You guys can be so damn immature sometimes. Sorry Rezza, man, but I have to close it on you.
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