Yeah and if you want a good UI get the Noia 2.7 theme for Firefox

thanks for the advice anakin it looks like a great theme,im d/l for anyone that wants the link here it is http://www.deviantart.com/view/4266778/

Check my signurature. Guess what I use.

What could possibly be better?

damn right.

Weirdos. At least give FirFox a try. Youll feel at home because it imports all your IE favs and even the cookies

notice how all the geeks who get places always use IE. Me, GTX, M$ and I'm sure actz uses IE too.

"A little geekiness driveth one away from IE, enough geekiness bringeth one back" (Inside joke for all you budding philosophers out there )

Yeah but THE geek, like the most important one of all, you know like the best (for those of you who havent caught on its me) uses Firefox.

THE geek (anakinsolois) > actz, rezza, M$ Agent, GTX etc. etc.

Avant and Firefox. Alright, I will give them a shot this weekend. Hopefully they uninstall decently, I hate hacking registry for poor uninstallation progs. Thank-you for your input.

Firefox uninstalls pretty well. The prefs folder will be under C:\Documents and Settings\[User Name]\Application Data\Mozilla\

This is necessary since firefox cant be upgraded, only uninstalled and reinstalled. So a lot of people prefer it when theri prefs are preserved. Hoepfully you wont need to uninstall it

i have heard of a X-Webs Mega Browser which claims 2 b 6 times faster than IE...
i have never used it though...

No browser can be six times as fast as any other. It mainly depends on the connection speed. I use IE currently, as its too much of a bother dloading flash plugins and toolbars for firefox. But on my linux system I have got a fully loaded firefox.

yeah the X-Webs browser is supposedly 6x faster and was verified by BBC. However its creator Adnan Osami, an Irish student chose to release it commercially eventually. I think there was something about him selling it to someone this january

Was it the one that compresses images before dloading them?

I believe that certain browsers are quicker than others. When I saw Netcaptor for the first time, it was open, loaded a site w/o cookies or anything, so first time visit. I watched another site being open with the same amount of graphics and text, usine IE, and netcaptor was quicker. About being 6x as quick as IE... unlikely, but then again, so were PC's in the 60's...

No, this is a next generation browser, it's not just any other browser, it's 6x as fast as all the browsers, including IE (since they generally have the same speed)

What could be better than Internet Explorer? Simple. Fast. Easy to use; No need to learn new buttons or commands. Simple to use content control. Low memory and processor usage. And no secondary programs to install or upgrade or patch or re-install or fix or... you get the idea. Internet Explorer: Fast. Simple. Made for the future.

Sorry... my advertising attitude got in there...

Looking at the poll results, its good to see people are finally getting away from the MS crap known as IE and are moving toward something much better, Firefox.

I'm sure there are some IE diehards, the ones afraid of changes for the better that will still, foolheartedly defend the crap known as IE

DO NOT BE AFRAID OF THE LIGHT , go towards the light !!!!!!!

Firefox 46.34%
IE 19.51%

FF is still in beta, LOL and is far superior in all ways to IE.

Firefox 1.0 is just around the corner folks, time to get on the bandwagon or be left behind with your antiquated IE.

Don't forget I can edit your posts and make you an IE lover.

But I can't abuse my powers... much...

What's so bad about IE? No "fancy" options and bright colors? Wow... colors give away anything, don't they?

BTW: If I were so afraid of change I would still be using Windows 3.1. Ah hell.. I'd be using DOS...

Do you honestly think that the problem with IE is the lack of Options and colours ??
Please tell us you were being sarcastic and that you do know the downside of using IE and that you do know how Firefox is Faster, More secure, and a lot more feature rich, not to mention the support FF has from the "geek" comunity while IE is shunned at !!!!
Please tell us, as a Mod of supposed "geek" community that you dont really use IE since we all know the true geeks of the world would use FF knowing how crap IE is.

The poll itself should indicate to you how people feel in regards to choice of browser, its telling us that almost 48% of us prefer FF ? There must be a reason for this, dontcha think ?

BTW you can change posts to your hearts content but i'm affraid that would not change my feeling toward IE nor would it change the almost 48% of us that know Firefox is vastly superior to IE, in all aspects.

I just cant understand how anyone can support IE and claim it to be better than Firefox, that is simply mind boggling.

PS. There still time for you to join the ranks of true geekdom and hop aboard the FF train, you dont want to left in the cold with something as old and decrepid as IE.
Hell, you may as well be using 3.1 if your gonna stick with IE.

Like i said, dont be afraid... Change is good.

I also support IE. The "geeks" on the internet are not a cattle I follow. Respectable computer professionals always prefer the simple, clean IE to the overbloated Firefox and opera that have features to work the toaster on them.

And don't force you're opinion on others like religious dogma, I use what feels right, and I won't change until I feel more comfortable using FF than IE, and isn't that what it's all about? Comfort!

overbloated firefox? lmao, IE is overbloated. Anyways, if youve tried it and dont like it theres nothing i can do to change your mind

LOL @ Rezza

Overbloated Firefox ? Come on now ! I'm sure even you know this to be untrue.

Comparing FF and IE, FF is by far the more Simple, Clean, less bloated browser.

Perhaps the "geeks" of the world know something that the "Respectable computer professionals" do not.

I think Firefox is just for people who do not wish to download a few programs that not only make Internet Explorer better but also their computer safer.

Firefox "emulates" speed. When the site says "it's FASTER!", really now... Why is it faster? They say pages load faster... That's impossible to do with just the use of an internet browser. To be able to make the internet faster you have to either upgrade your connection OR use compression through your ISP's proxy server. A browser cannot download pages faster by itself or even with your computer's help. It has to be done though the ISP... which sometimes costs more money.

Yeah yeah yeah... I've heard about the security flaws of IE with ActiveX and such... How hard is it, really, to go into the IE's options an DISABLE ACTIVE X?!.... Wow... that was hard...

Wow... I can get defensive sometimes... lol

Oh... and computer professionals?! I am a Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP). I may not be no big-wig MCSE, but I am still in collage for Computer Forensics/Network Security.

Internet Explorer, due to its thousands of web-page rendering bugs, has to spend extra time loading web pages. It goes to unnecessary lengths to handle errors, even when a DOCTYPE has been specified in the source sometimes.
As a result of this, IE loads web pages more slowly than necessary. And even when the page is loaded, IE renders it incorrectly.

One of the great things about the the Internet are web standards. Web standards are controlled by a non-profit agency (the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)), and therefore do not favour any one company's intentions.
However, rather than actually support these essential web standards, Internet Explorer and Microsoft have effectively created their own (albeit through lazy programming, and countless numbers of bugs), and Internet Explorer as a result displays valid web pages incorrectly.

Imagine how frustrated web developers must be when they create a beautiful design, complying to all official standards, which falls apart in Inernet Explorer. Tested in Mozilla and Opera, it works fine. They must spend extra time (and charge the client more) to make it work in Internet Explorer.
This client/company must pass on these costs to their customers, which means you are paying more than you need to because of Internet Explorer. Also, the loading time of the page increases because of extra coding.

Because Internet Explorer doesn't support CSS properly (faster download, because a page's design must only be loaded once, then just content), programmers and web designers must use 'hacks', or old or invalid code (takes longer to load). This means IE is slowing the entire Internet down significantly!
Web developers must go to extra lengths to make PNG alpha transparency, drop-down menus, and many other nice features work in Internet Explorer.

Internet Explorer is used by most people simply because it is on their computer when they buy it. Perhaps the most obvious disadvantages for the user are the bad features in IE.

While other browsers such as Mozilla Firefox and Opera have made great recent innovations, like tabbed-browsing, integrated search, one-click downloading, and various downloadable extensions, Internet Explorer has basically remained the same in terms of features. And if you want a certain feature in Mozilla Firefox, you can mention your idea on Mozilla's forums, and chances are someone will make it for you. Because it it is open source software, anyone can add things to it.
If you want to open two pages at once in IE, you have to open a new window. This is OK for two windows, but when you have several open, it can get very annoying. Mozilla, Opera and Safari have tabbed browsing

Internet Explorer is a very vulnerable browser. It allows many trojan-horses, worms, spyware and adware and other viruses through without the user doing anything wrong or knowing that anything has gone wrong. Recently, millions of IE users had computers which switched off for no reason at all times. This was the Sasser worm, which took advantage of a known flaw in IE. Since then, the US Government's Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT), produced an article which told users to stop using Microsoft Internet Explorer.
This is just some of the controversy surrounding Microsoft and IE regarding security. Many Internet Explorer users are now setting security settings to ridiculous levels, which slows down and stops certain sites from displaying. None of this is necessary. All that is necessary is to switch to a different browser.

All of the above information is C&P from...

http://www.stopie.com/

A site created by people with a biased opinion twords IE. Genuine.

Ok, I'm talking from a person with a Windows Operating System's point of view. So, if I say something like "IE comes standard"... I mean for Windows

Let's start off:

You have your opinions on IE (albit flawed) and others have theres on FF.

You sound like someone that getting paid by MS, spewing crap all over the place.

No one is forcing you to change browsers but please stop isulting us with your drivel.

Perhaps there are some "experienced" computer users that can "fix" IE to be less of a security threat but try telling that the 100000's of people that have had there systems shitfaced due directly to the problems and security flaws with IE. THS IS THE IMPORTANT PART, IE IS FULLY RESONSIBLE FOR WRECKING 100000's OF SYSTEMS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every person i talk to that has had a problem with their system i tell them to quit using IE/OE and switch to FF/TB and every one of them could not be happier.

ROFL, oooooooo IE comes bundled with windows, thats why i use it. Big friggin deal, thats prolly why it has so much problems. That has to be the most "noob" thing i have seen here, I'm beggining to doubt you actually know how to operate a computer !!!!!!! and that would be sad considering you are a "mod" of a "geek" related forum, I hope i am wrong on my assumption !

Gezzzzz, one might have to DL an program thats <5 MB whoopdefuggindo

Bottom line here, like it or not..... Enjoy your (wahhhhh, i dont want to swich and i love Bill Gates) crap ass , bloatware, POS, computer wrecking, sloooowwww (YES it has been proven slower no matter what you claim) junk IE while the more advanced and itelligent of us continue using FF.


Sometime around 9/14 look for the milestone 1.0 release of Firefox and Thunderbird.

Its sad really that a "beta" product is far more advanced, secure, polished that something that has been around for years.

There was a time that i backed IE till i actually gave Mozilla a whirl (you know, actually tried if for a while till i got used to it !!! ) From that day on , i have never looked back, never touched IE/OE and couldnt be more pleased with the performance of both FF and TB

Have you actually used Firefox ? or would installing and using a new browser be beyond you scope of comprehension ?
I can walk you through the process if you want.

Please disregard spelling errors as its getting late here and i'm half asslep but i feel this is to important (getting people to swich from IE)

My intellectual abilities are none of your concern, and attempting to personally insulting me has failed. Challenging such has placed you in a position that just shows your argument is limited if you have to resort to insulting me. But... I won't fight back with insults. I'll fight back against Firefox and not a member of a forum.

Yes. I have tried Firefox. And I will say that it's a rather nice browser. But many of the features of it are already in Internet explorer.

LOL i could say that i'm The President of The USA on a message board but that doesn't mean i know how to run a country !!!!!!!!

"I have yet to find something that they can do that IE doesn't"

Ummmm Work? Not unknowingly install malicious content? Not Crash? Open text links ? Undo closed tabs ? Kill object ? Extensions ? ETC ETC

And dont spew about "tweaking" IE to avoid the security problems, the average joe will not do this and will be in trouble with his default instal of IE while the FF user is free and clear.

Oh and BTW Tabbed Browsing is much much better than Taskbar browsing and takes a lot less resourses. Open 30 pages in tabs, no problem.... try that with IE, good luck.

Quite franky, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize a superior product !!!!!!!! The sooner more people realize the benefits of FF over IE the sooner we can rid the world of the virus know as Internet Explorer

OK you two, cut it out with the long posts, im getting a headache.

yaggy, stop insulting people just because they dont like programs that you do.

gtx, you probably dont feel any speed boost since you have a 1 MBps lin or was it 2? But to people who get 6KBps, firefox makes a whole world of difference. Security wise I'd say that while IE is more secure than firefox its more prone to viruses/spyware etc. etc. since 94% of people use IE.

But the part about MS not following standards is true to a certain extent. All browsers should follow the W3C standards, and then pages would render properly on all of them

I run a 3MB line. But that's not the issue. I've only had this connection for about 6 months. I lived on a 28.8Kbps (3KBps) modem internet connection for about 5 years. And I do know that a speed like that is pathetic... I'm used to it. I'm just saying it's impossible for a browser to compress images BEFORE they reach your computer unless by some agreement from the ISP.

Your computer sends a request to your ISP for a web page. Your ISP goes and get's it. Then, the ISP retrieves it, then sends it to you. If your ISP sends the files to you, then your computer gets them, how can the browser compress them or download them faster? The ISP's proxy server has to do that.

Anyway... yaggy... do you use Windows? If you do, if you use anything less than Windows 2003, I don't want to hear anything about security. If not (if you use Linux or something), nevermind then. That's another story.

And true. Firefox has all the popup blocking and the ActiveX and whatnot ready to go for the average Joe to be able to plug and go. I'm just saying with a little work in the option panel of IE you can bascially do the same thing (except the pop-up blocking... I'll give a point to Firefox on that one...)

I think I'm done for now. I'm not out of arguments, I just don't see any reason to continue. I feel we've both made very valid points. Let the users decide. And so what if 99.342452529% of the world uses something other than IE? I know I probably will be...

Ummm better check you post ,

You said IE is more secure than Firefox ? LOL
You also said 94% use Firefox ? again LOL

Aye, it must be late.


OH, I have NOT isulted anyone, i mearly stated my opinion which i stand by ! Truth hurts i guess.

as yaggy tried to explain, IE quite simply does not support a few things that most other browsers do. We arent talking about IE4 here, we're talking latest version, fully patched and so forth.

as he mentioned, PNG files are not fully supported. you said you went to a PNG gallery and everything looked fine, and that may be. they are displayed by IE, however, PNG alpha transparency is mishandled. Open photoshop, make an image with a transparent background, throw some stuff on it, save it as a .png. View it on a colored background in firefox, then do the same thing with IE6. you'll see.

w3c standards: in the web design world there are two types of programmers. group A caters to people with IE either because they dont mind the hours of extra code hacks necessary to make their pages display properly, or because their employers/clients require it due to the fact that IE is bundled with windows and Joe B. Average has no clue that there are other browser options in existence. Joe B. Average has zillions of clones, and some of these clones spend money and click ads on the internet, thus making them a necessary although pain-in-the-neck demographic. Group B writes standards-compliant code, which ALWAYS displays perfectly in firefox, mozilla, safari, opera, and so forth, and occasionally hiccups and/or splats in IE, due solely to IE's substandard DHTML rendering engine. For more information on IE's poor rendering engine visit a list apart or any other well-known web design site. Writing web code for IE users is the digital equivalent of being a duct-tape plumber.

For Joe B. Average, IE6 is a fine browser. it makes web pages appear on his monitor, which is all he cares about. For those of us who demand more from the software which we honor with a spot on our dollar-a-gig drives, any other browser made is a better choice, for the reasons listed above and forty-quadrillion others that have been exhaustively discussed on every forum on the web.

It is no secret, nor is it even remotely arguable that web designers as a group unanimously do not like IE. Not just some of us, ALL of us. If you can show me one professional web designer who actually writes code (not dreamweaver web mavens) and prefers IE to any other browser on earth, I will personally eat my hat. It just won't happen, because those in the know see IE for what it is, which is an outdated legacy product which has been force-fed to the masses. Unless MS suddenly decides to follow W3C like the rest of the world, it will remain so.

And for the record, IT professionals don't prefer IE because its so easy and streamlined and simple and efficient, they prefer it because without it and other crappy piles of code lying around on end-user boxes they wouldn't have spiffy moderately-high-paying jobs running around and fixing them when they break.

If everyone at your company used the best piece of software made in each category of software used, you'd be part time at best, and more likely a "consultant" slanging needlepoint pillow covers on ebay to make ends meet. So yeah, praise be to IE for putting food on your table. Id be saying the same things if I were you.

94% firefox? lol, my mistake, ill edit it now. Read the sentence again it should make more sense now

EDIT:

I edited mine too... Anakin's post had me change mine around... lol

And Anakin is right about the opinion/insult.

Just be glad I'm not one that can easily be insulted. Basically, I don't really care.

And I have known an MCSE favor IE... but I can't support right now because I haven't talked to him for a few months now (since I moved).

So I guess you cleaned out the cache before using Firefox eh?

Damn you! Now you got me looking up on how that works... lol

Bah... I'm going to bed...

Tools -> Options -> Privacy -> Cache

It is true that IE is bundled with Windows, but does that make it better ?

Lets see what else is bundled with windows..

The firewall
movie maker
picture viewer
wordpad
the burning program
windows messenger
media player
paint
system restore
disc cleanup

See a trend here ?

Thats right, they all have much better 3rd party alternatives !!!!!! including IE/OE

Oh that.... something to do with pipelines or something....

I might actually get to try the new browsers mentioned a couple posts before but SP2 has caused some issues. Then activating windows again was difficult.

What ever happened to the new version of Netscape? Wasn't that suppose to come out about a week ago? Cause i went to there site and nothing had change, i was wondering what @OL's idea of 'revolutionary' is.

I haven't heard of netscape in a while, I thought it died off... darn!

i thought netscape had died off too...huh, weird

Avant browser all the way!

Now that I started using Opera, thats my favorite.

price of opera: $39 USD
price of firefox: free

price of opera: $39 USD
price of firefox: free
price of IE: Your System, Security, Privacy and Sanity !!!