GTX5_Crusader
Jan 4 2004, 08:47 AM
This can be slightly referred to as a bit of a religious topic, but try to keep it more scientific so no flaming starts, ok? I will state about each, then my own OPINION, then a few questions.
So, part 1. Evolution.
Evolution. Big Bang. Poof! We all come about. The earliest forms of bacteria form from a catastrophic explosion that set everything in motion. Slowly forming into the basic building blocks of life, amino acids, bacteria begin to take shape of single-celled creatures, then, evolving later, EONS later, creating the first land mammals, and so on and so forth, then man.
So, where did this "Big Bang" come from? Something had to be around to cause it. If there was nothing, it couldn't happen. It's said that many galaxies and stuff and space stuff and stuff (and other stuff) all collided and caused the Big Bang... but where did all that come from??? And if evolution was the start of it all, what caused it to stop?
Ok then, part 2. Creation.
The heavens. The earth. Both created by a supreme being, which had no beginning and has no end. In 7 days everything that we know was created. Maybe it did take form of what is known as evolution, like a "Big Bang" and everything was created. Who knows? Just to imagine something with no beginning seems almost impossible... but then you wonder, 'What if?'
In my OPINION, I don't believe in evolution whatsoever. I don't see how something can evolve in such a way. Maybe there is change in each species slighty so that way that species can adapt to different locations and variations in habitats, but to almost completely chage form? I don't go for it. But that's just my OPINION...
Troa34
Jan 4 2004, 09:34 AM
Well... evolution hasnt stopped, even among humans, the average height has risen over the years rather dramatically. As for the 7 days thing, that has been debated whether the measurement of time used was lost over time and then put simply into 7 days, could have been 7 years, 7 decades that sort of thing. I dunno this is kind of a hard subject not to get religious about especially with evolution and creation. But I agree on you in the part where did the big bangable stuff come from. Science teachers always feel so proud when they tell their students where we all came from and how religion is a bunch of bull or whatever, but then when you ask them where did that nebula or whatever come from they say its just there. wow..... that answered my question.
GTX5_Crusader
Jan 4 2004, 12:29 PM
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| As for the 7 days thing, that has been debated whether the measurement of time used was lost over time and then put simply into 7 days, could have been 7 years, 7 decades that sort of thing. |
According to later Bible terminology, the term "Day" is somehow referred to as "1000 Years"... So 7 days COULD mean 7000 years.
M$ Agent #2
Jan 4 2004, 02:01 PM
Well to explain the Big Bang you have to research into alot of physics quantum physics I think.I believe that this isnt the only universe and there are multiple dimensions but thats going into realy thoeretical physics. As for how life started believe it or not lightning is generaly thought of to have kick started things. I always wonder about people who dont think that things evolve what do they think when you go to a museum and see all these skeletons of animals that just arent around any more ? I just dont seem to find any fosils of horses or bufalo or gerafes anywhere... besides things just dont mutate evolution is something that takes millions of years to go from say a fish to a bird.
Troa34
Jan 4 2004, 02:53 PM
| QUOTE (M$ Agent #2 @ Jan 4 2004, 09:01 AM) |
| As for how life started believe it or not lightning is generaly thought of to have kick started things. |
whered that come from? thats the point....
Deftone
Jan 4 2004, 03:45 PM
A lot of people believe religion and science cant go hand in hand. I believe they CAN. I believe that God may have created this world, but not by the means of just magic, poof its there, but by causing the physical, biological, genetic changes in the world that took place for evolution to finally occur and humans to get on this planet
handiklap
Jan 4 2004, 04:12 PM
i'm going with the quantum physics angle, though i don't think we're capable just yet of understanding the ramifications or conditions of the big-bang, though i have seen (and reproduced) some interesting data about multi-dimension theory. the conclusion i have personally come to is that if there is a God, he's a living entity, alive and well, somewhere far far away from this part of the universe, albeit somewhere IN this universe, waiting for us to come find him. beyond that, i see the majority of man's advances as a species the direct consequence of the evolution of Man's mind.
Deftone
Jan 4 2004, 04:26 PM
I can partially agree to ur commenting Hand. It is an intersting approach, not contradictory to anything
rockman56
Jan 5 2004, 03:52 AM
so i'm just curious, why is it weird that it's unexplainable how the big bang happened, but not weird that it's unexplainable where this "supreme being" came from?
but in any case, i believe that there is room for both theories, as it's almost impossible to sway believers of one theory to the other...i'm sorta in the middle...i believe in evolution because it's proven fact, but i would also like to think there is a "supreme being" out there looking over us as well
Troa34
Jan 5 2004, 04:10 AM
I think the idea of a supreme being is rather easily acceptable because thats what it is... a supreme being. While the nebula from which the big bang came is a nebula not the super nebula of hooladoo. Scientists want it to sound so logical and simple as if there wasnt anything really spectacular involved but the logic behind something just being there is ridiculous. Unfortunately as humans we can only think of things with a beginning and end. We cant accept as easily that things may have just been forever we always have to associate things with length of time. I'm with you rockman and klap and whoever said the same I think its gotta be a combination of both, but will we ever really know? probably not...
Deftone
Jan 5 2004, 03:38 PM
| QUOTE (rockman56 @ Jan 5 2004, 03:52 AM) |
so i'm just curious, why is it weird that it's unexplainable how the big bang happened, but not weird that it's unexplainable where this "supreme being" came from?
but in any case, i believe that there is room for both theories, as it's almost impossible to sway believers of one theory to the other...i'm sorta in the middle...i believe in evolution because it's proven fact, but i would also like to think there is a "supreme being" out there looking over us as well |
As far as being realistic goes, you are correct man. But the only difference lies that Religion at least has gone all the way to try to explain the entirety of creation by one supreme being, whether you are satisfied with the explanation or not. Science however, needing its proof to determine its veredict, has a theory like the big bang one which is not entirely complete, which explains the creation of the planets, not the universe, not the stars that exploded to create the planets. And so it is sometimes prefered by ppl to look upon, maybe a less believable but complete story than a hard facts but incomplete one
M$ Agent #2
Jan 5 2004, 04:27 PM
Read this book "A Breif history of time" awsome book and explains everything from a scientific point of view from the first nano second of creation. The reason they dont teach that in school is becouse most poeple even reading that dumbed down version wouldnt understand. Its thoeretical physics.
GTX5_Crusader
Jan 5 2004, 05:43 PM
Hmmm... sounds like something I would be interested in
.::PHPfanatic::.
Jan 6 2004, 12:34 AM
You've mentioned "A Brief History of Time" a few times now and my dad claims that Steven Hawkings explains a lot of stuff in a convoluted manner, all of which include very little concrete examples and explanations.
I personally am very unreligious (probably an agnostic bordering atheist). If I were faced with a decision to take the religious path or science path I'd take the latter anyday of the week.
As for believing in evolution or not, I would have to say, yes I do. Science has not proved the big bang ever happened as this is an impossibility, just like predicting the future is. Science may have not put the whole puzzle together yet and probably never will on evolution/big bang but it provides many more tools to do so than religion where it's strickly based upon whether you believe or not. Science doesn't require faith but reasoning.
Where did the materials used to create the big bang come from...the age old question. I'm not sure, no one is, there's many theories, that of which, unfortunately, I'm very ill-educated on. The big bang theory may be far-fetched but a supreme being is somehow even more so to me.
I don't know what to say...
this is only my opinion of course.
.::PHPfanatic::.
Jan 6 2004, 12:40 AM
Here's an interesting diagram I found:
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M$ Agent #2
Jan 6 2004, 03:41 AM
Good find there PH Fanatic I found that inspired me (or should I say reminded me ?) They have proven that high temps do couse fusion reactions that can actualy turn hydrogen into helium hmm or is it the other way around ? anyway these fusion reactors may one day make cheap clean energy based on how the universe created all forms of matter I read somewhere that the last fusion that can occur in nature is Iron I guess Iron cannot be fused any more then it already is ? all the elements can be made from hydrogen through fusion I guess adding electrons and uping the atomic number ?
.::PHPfanatic::.
Jan 6 2004, 04:01 AM
I'm definitely going to have to make it a goal to read that page and delay posting and whatever else (ie: Linux).
cowboydawg
Jan 6 2004, 04:57 AM
No matter what you believe, no one has the answer or prof of,,,, How Can Something{no matter what it is} come from nothing? No matter what your theory, where did something come from when there is nothing for it to come from? No one can explain the beginning of something that came from,,,,,, Nothingness?
I was thinking in Science Class years ago. You know how they show the make up of man in a Moleculer Model? You know how they showed the Red, white and blue balls on wires, atoms and such, and all those tiny little things, including DNA is the make up of a human?
Well what if all of us, everything we see, planets and all, and can't see, is the Moleculer Makeup of the Supreme Being??? You know, like we are the DNA of God.
GTX5_Crusader
Jan 6 2004, 04:59 AM
All I see there is "Image hosted by Tripod"... but no image...
Deftone
Jan 6 2004, 08:14 PM
Mysteries man will never trully solve. Thats all i gotta say
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