i see this thing runs 2 ghz....how far could 1 overclock this safley with like a 5 or 6 fan case and a Thermaltake Venus 12 fan and heatsink???

how does this compare to a Pentium running at 2 ghz?

depends on the hardware,your fans and heatsink

It's better than a 2 GHz Pentium, a lot better.

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It is better than a Pentium 2 GHz because AMD's do more work/calculations per clock cycle.. People just dont get that CLOCK SPEED DOES NOT MATTER (that's why Intel is no longer labelling their processors based on clock speed)

You can safely overclock it to about 2.6 Ghz (probably)

true,also AMD has shorter pipelines,its kinda ard to explain,but shorter(AMD)=good,long (Intel)=bad,searh for the Mzh Myth Video,which also explains why a G4 833ghz can stick with a p4 1.8ghz

here is a link http://asp.cis.pitt.edu/mov/mhz_myth.mov

833 mhz* I'll check out the video too I guess.

ok then....kewl.......thanks alot

no problem,i was wondered about that too,tho i still am an intel guy

I heard from alot of people the Athlon 64's dont OC too well they are averaging about 200Mhz OC wich isnt bad realy thats a 10% boost on 2Ghz usualy you can OC anything 5-10% Celeron 400Mhz were super exceptional in that you could OC them to 800Mhz thats a full 100% WOW I also might add that everything im talking about is with just fan cooling if you start into chilled water cooling setups and refridgeration units then you can OC alot further heheheheh

what is this "hypertransport technology"........for a gaming machine i plan on upgrading as time goes on, would i want a motherboard whare it says System Bus-1600Mhz or hypertransport technology?

I've heard of "Hyperthreading"... but not "Hypertransport"... I'd like to know what it is too

this one has it

http://www.ajump.com/ajump/product.asp?pf%...&dept%5Fid=5120

i'm lookin at that one...or this one

http://usa.aopen.com/products/mb/AK89Max.htm ..........it says 800mhz.....my mistake

ok.......is 800 mhz or hyperthreading better for gaming????

yea, M$ is right, Athlon 64's do not overclock that good. only 100 or so MHz, and even then, I've heard you don't notice any difference at all.

Hypertransport is the name for the bus the Athlon 64 uses its a hmmm well you know the memory controller is on the CPU itself so basicaly it is what would normaly be the bus to the Northbridge on an Intel system only its direct memory access so thoereticaly its faster. It is faster in realy world tests but for some reason the P4 sitting on a 800Mhz bus seems to compete well. I think this has to do with how memory is managed by the northbridge chip then having the memory controller on die. Now for Hyperthreading what that is hmmm how can I say this short... lol Well its like the CPU is broken up into small peices with one doing floating point math operations and another part doing logic and another part doing cache prefetch and cache predictions. Now your program is say some math heavy ap so it mostly uses the floating point unit and its registers.... and you are also running a program that uses alot of the Logic part of the CPU those two programs each have a thread and by hyperthreading them the P4 can use the whole chip at the same time by two seperate programs. Its pretty cool and make the "user experience" alot better. I also know that Hyperthreading works to make a single program faster if that program is multithreaded. hmmm you might ask what is multithreaded well multiple threads in a program are registers that hold data and when a program can use more threads it will run faster especialy on multi CPU systems. This is all off the top of my head there is alot more to it then what I say and some of what I say may be remembered wronge but the basic idea is there heheheheh....

Hyperthreading is better for apps... if you want gaming, get the AMD

Actually, hyperthreading is good for running multiple programs,games or apps or both. However, VERY few apps/games have taken advantage of this, so there will be no major gain from this as of now.

You are right.. but I said that because Benchmarks show that AMDs and Intels that are near equal in performance - the Intel is better for apps, AMD for games.

hey ! Cool video, thnx for clearing the mghz myth