I couldn't sleep at all because I was thinking WAY too much.

Anyway, I was thinking, and this is what I came up with:

I think about things like "life" a lot. Why we live. Why we die. What is the purpose of our existence. I came to a conclusion that living is not that of living out life's so-called pleasures, but rather having and keeping the memories of such. I feel that having a companion is not the greatest thing in the world because of pleasurable experiences (...dinner and a movie...), but rather the memories and feelings we gain from such.

How'd I come up with that? If we meet a person, we look at the person first. Through an almost instantaneous thought process we determine what we are looking at. Through sense of sight, we see, for example, a human, female, about 5'8'', dark hair, blue eyes, nice features, ect... We see what our mind interprets. Maybe then a casual "Hello" to the person. The person responds with a cheerful "Hi". Through sense of hearing we hear the voice of the person, beautiful, melodious. Maybe you would... shake her hand. Through sense of touch, again, we are sensing something. Maybe she has a strong perfume on, and through sense of smell, the process continues. Within a matter of seconds our minds can perceive our surroundings and what we are dealing with. It's all what our mind's interpret...

So... our lives as we know it... we live, not as an existence, but as a "mind", meaning that everything that goes on is happening in our mind. Through theory, we can control our mind and be able to see what we choose to see and change what we already see, change what we hear, and change what we smell or taste. Thus, if say, someone dies, I believe that the mourning that goes on is not because of the death, but rather, the sadness of not being able to share and experience life with that person. Or if sharing life with someone you love (g/f, b/f), it's not the... experiences... that make the relationship, it's, rather, the fact that each person wants someone that they can MAKE memories and feelings with, and SHARE those memories and feelings.

In my opinion, if it's never experienced, it's never missed, but wanted. If it's given, it should be treasured like it'll never come again... for a lifetime.

I don't want anything like a flame fest or what not, just simple discussion. I think alot and look for opinions. So, I ask everyone: What do you think?

Since Ive never had a g/f (had my fair share of crushes though;) ), I may not be an expert, but I'll give it a shot anyways. Im gonna give this a whirl from a scientific viewpoint. Though I may not like it, it is one view i believe that may be partially right at least.

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Basically we are crude machines. Creatures of matter. Emotions are just chemical changes. However we are unique from other machines beacuse we are interested in how 'we' work. This is one place where i strongly disagree with certain blind religious policies, but I wont go into that right now. We dont just take for granted that we 'exist' through a soul. We try to find out how.

Finding out the intricacies of the brain is an impossible or at least near-impossible task. Impossible because because the functiooning of our brain is limited to our world. We may have to do something humanely impossible to understand our brain. If we do understand however, that will be the final leap into the future. We could actually transfer memories, thoughts, in esscence ourselves into other machines. Imagine if we could transfer ourselves into a superhuman robot. It would negate the failings of both the human machine and his creation.

The final state is existance without matter. Crazy though it may sound, though i swear that we are products of chemical actions, i believe that we could essentially give up our crude mechanical bodies and become creatures (can we still be called that? ) of pure energy (for lack of a better term). The secrets of the universe would be unlocked, we would have omnipotence and omnipresence. We could affect all matter and have control over the workings of the universe. In short Gods.

In energy, we would be dimensionless and can fathom thoughts above the speeds of anything imaginable. Thought would become light. Death would become a myth. That is the purpose of life, what we hope to achive. Immortality

The Biig Crunch (end of universe) would become nothing more than a minor annoyance. We could traverse dimensions and planes easily. IT would be the equivalent of jumping high to avoid a rolling boulder.

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While we are far from attaining immortality, we can however propogate ourselves fast enough ensure our existance. Emotion is nothing more than a by product of evolution. We seek to further ourselves through reproduction. Sexual pleasure is nothing more than evolution. We would do it to feel good, and in esscence propogate our kind.


I do have some more thoguths on this subject, it may take sometime for me to convert them into words. Coherent words at least.

Hm, well I stopped reading fairy tales when I was 7 (read a long, boring one called the "holy bible" or something) ... I believe that we may never know why there is an existance...

agreed vampyric i have that shoved down my throat at skool everyday. and everytime u question something it is ignored.......

Heh, why question? There are books, etc. ... well, depends what the question is.

question to prove them wrong

Let's TRY not to start a flame war here people. This thread was based upon the SCEINTIFIC reasonings of memories and feelings. I knew that the religious view would come into play, but was hoping that people wouldn't flame each other over it.

If you don't agree with something, simply state that. Don't cut down someone's religion and say that it's incorrect just because you don't agree with it. If this continues I'll have to close the thread immediately.

awwww no flames oh well say sorry, vampyric

Za: Christianity can spread from one person believing it to billions in that number of years, maybe you should go here, Christian Burner , fool.

what heppened to nice friendly convo's?

I don't know.... I really don't know...

How about the next religious post that is made will be removed?

People can discuss religion if they wish, it's just that most people tend to flame other people about it. I don't care if you post about something religious, just so long as you don't flame someone else.

nice site vampyric.....has some valid points and the picture on the front is funny as

Is what we see where we exsist, or is our exsistance what we see?

catch 22......might as well say what came 1st the chicken or the egg

I dont get the 2nd part of your sentence GTX. Existance is much more than sight

all of the senses........

Yes, thats quite true. Considering that there is a 4th dimension (time) and that we cant even begin to fathom what it would be like, imagine if there were 5 dimensions. Reality? The word doesnt exist.

I've heard distant rumors that in theory there are many, many dimensions... but I haven't heard much about it all for awhile now. (But I did see it on an "official" scientific research website...)

There probably are, but we would never know. After all, we can barely comprehend 4 dimensions (i know some people who have trouble with 3!!) .

Super String thoery sugest alot of the other dimensions but its alot of weird math and has to do with partical physics I think. Im half awake but yeah something like that lol

I apologize for arguing with you, Vampyric, it was pointless and completely hypocritical of me. I realized how immature I was acting after the cool-off period I had during the trip from China to the US. Again, I apologize if I offended you any.

Insidious - RWH

wow GTX5_Crusader.....i was thinking about that kinda stuff a few weeks ago....life isn't about living out life, but the memories and such, thats really funny cuse i kept the thoughts to myself thinking i would b deamed crazy and be put away, or maby that i would be struck down ba a massive lightning bolt for figuring out life...lol

but consider this

i feel that existance is the worst mistake that could have ever been..it is a large waist of its self and is totally pointless....the human race is never going to contribute any good to existance or the universe or anything, just to its self

i heard something about a 5th or 6th dimension, the dimension of chance, and kinda used it to prove freewill not to exist.....

the dimension of chance suggests that there are an infinite number of other ways something may have happened....but i was thinking....all happenings, happen because of something that happened or a combination of happenings preceding the the original happening (lol....i cant really put it into better words)....the next time you get into your car, or pick up a spoon, think about the reasoning behind the action, then the reason behind that action...eventually, you will return to "the first happening"......or something...lol.....i dunno anymore....i cant put a lot of my thoughts into words very well so do your best to understand

No i think part of that is the Multiverse theory. That there are many universes, one in which there are totally different or even related things.