A few days ago I was thinking about this. I saw the pictures of all the people who've died in the war in Iraq in the newspaper which brought the tranquilizer bomb to mind. I was wondering if it was possible to create such a thing, like a hydrogen bomb only without radiation-- "tranquilization powder". The people willingly going to war in Iraq puzzles me... why would they even consider doing such a thing is what I don't understand. Is it this competitiveness I see so much of in the world nowadays that compels them to go to war. It's one thing if it's a requirement that you cannot get out of but drafting yourself is another thing. Supposedly, a person under the age of 18 wanted to go to war so badly he had to have his mother sign an approval in order to go. I say there's something seriously wrong with this mother; she's mentally impaired, she's not thinking. Who would do such a thing to their son? She's willingly sending her son off to be slaughtered along with so many others, and for what, glory... being able to say "I went against the terrorists"? Do these people have a death wish or are their heads just not on straight? I feel absolutely terrible for all the people who have died in Iraq yet I also feel they are so incredibly idiotic for going over there in the first place. This is where the tranquilizer bomb comes into play. You drop as many bombs on Iraq as you deem necessary and knock everyone out, including the soldiers so no more of them die. This will be a very strong tranquilizer so we'll have enough time to send people in and collect the killers. I don't know how you'd go about making such a bomb but it would save so many lives.

if you believe in war or your cause so much then why not go to iraq,i know i certianly wouldnt want to fight over there

I suppose the reason I'm unable to understand is because of the fact I loathe war.

people would also think it's idiotic to be against your own nation's army risking their lives. People join the army and any armed forces by choice, no one is drafted, its their decision. They fight for what they believe in and for our country and you. Having the opinion against a war, or actions of our forces is fine... but if anyone honestly thinks opposing them physically is somehow a good thing and a "right" then I honestly think they're the ones who are messed in the head. I know you didn't say anything like that, it was more of a general statement. Anyway... whether or not you support or agree with what our armed forces are doing, they're still our citizens and protecting our country, and the least people can do is support them regardless.

And yeah a tranq bom would be cool heh.

I've been thinking about war too, lately. And I have to admit that war is a mistery to me too. In my opinion, war is just another instrument for brain-lacking people to show others they're so great and powerful. What is a good reason to start a war at all? I can't think of anything. Like, going into war with Iraq and dropping bombs randomly on Iraq (thus killing lots of innocent people) just because of Saddam Hussein and the people who believe in him? Or was it the oil? Or was it just for the fun of it??? Anyway, it really disgusts me to see how people slaughter each other like that for something so stupid. Another aspect I don't like about war is that now, every single stupid little kid can kill someone else. You don't really need to be strong anymore, you just need to be able to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger. So it's not about who's the strongest anymore, but about who can afford the best weapons...

Anyway, uhm, you were talking about tranquilizer bombs, right?
Well, that sounds good. The only problem I can think of is that anyone could use it. I guess it's wouldn't be as complicated to build as an atomic bomb. So Iraq could put us asleep...

I never said I didn't support them, of course I support them. I only think they're making very unwise decisions but, of course, many people are guilty of this. They're very brave people and I respect them for that.

@psYchotic: I couldn't agree with what you have to say more. You always seem to bring up better points than me. I don't know how you'd go about making such a thing but that's not what I'm worrying about... it's the idea.

lol, maybe we should write a book php As long as it's not title "Tranquilizer bomb for dummies" Anyway, like troa says, of course we support our (well, they're not mine in this case) soldiers, because the soldiers just want to protect their country and its inhabitants (well, most of them ). But it's not really about the soldiers, because they're just puppets, and the more important people (the "elite") are the ones who decide to go into war. Ask your neighbour if he had anything to do with the decision to drop bombs on Iraq. You could even ask yourself, because you know the answer : nothing. And that frightens me. I'm afraid I could die because of some megalomaniac #&!¿% wanted to know if some other country could maybe hypothetically have some mass destruction weapons, while that b*st*rd's country does have those exact same bombs... That is why I don't understand how someone could possibly want to fight against other countries, without really knowing what it's about (if it actually IS about something).

not drafted? i was pretty sure a bunch of my friends in the US where called upon by the army when they hit their 18th bday. As far as signing up, a lot of people (especially in the US) feel its their patriotic duty to serve in war, to fight for their country. The media and the government try hard with cartoons, commercials, etc to glorify war, so that people even today sometimes don't realize what war entails.

I personally am totally against it. I'm not sure about that tranquilizer bomb PHP. I do know however of a neutron bomb that is being developed. Destroys no building but kills every living thing within a certain radius.

Destroys no buildings but eliminates all living things, that's scientifically amazing but still terrible. I guess you're trying to show me that there are a variety of bomb types (not yet existent) but this is not my goal... I do not want a destructive bomb.

I trust you've read my post but it's not all that terribly clear to me that you've focused on what I have to say when you come up with statements like you have...

I don't think a draft is necessary no matter what the conditions.

Perhaps a powerful enough EMP bomb would short out the human nervous system for a short period of time but for what ? most terrorist dont have a card in there wallet that says "Member in good standing with Alah" lol I could see it as a good tool for riot controll though.... The war against terror will truely only be won by big brother type tech... when you remove peoples privacy then you remove all hidden operations. As creepy as it sounds knowing everything that everyone does or writes is the only way. Light tends to drive demons away....

An EMP bomb... you may be onto something M$.

No information on the plan to attack Iraq using this method would be allowed to leak though because then they'd just put on some masks and get through it all, it would have to be a "covert operation".

They do have an EMP bomb, one that takes out even phone units and stuff, but its as big as a truck, and itd have to be 2 feet away from the target and cant be dropped due to sensitive equipment.

A tranquiliser bomb is nice, but may I point out the invention of gas masks??

I know, I added that point to the reply after M$'s mention of an EMP bomb.

And yet another flaw - how long would people be knocked out? An hour, two? What would you do when they started waking up? Now a sneezing powder bomb, thats a gr8 idea lol

A sneezing bomb might actually kill them, if the time between sneezes was very small at least. I'm not sure how long it would knock them out... you could tinker with that part of it.

war is a good way to control the population because we are reaching more and more people stephen hawking even predicted in on of his books that i read that in 2600 the world would grow red hot from all the power concuption... yes it said that people die but you also must understand how important death is death brings meaning to life

I'm a little skeptical about that, it doesn't sound very logical. Did he give an explanation to back up what he had to say? I doubt there'd be that much of a different in the crust's temperature between 6bil and 9bil people. Even so, there must be an easier way than war.

Don't worry, as soon as the oil runs out, a whole lot of people will die, all we have to do now is wait for that glorious day.

beliving war is caused by the presence of our insticntive power hunger is a very absent minded answer to a very complex issue. War is usually a combination of factors, security, resources, land and it almost never has anything to do with the interests of the people being invaded.

War sucks but I believe to be necessary, I'm fully up to going in the army if my beliefs and freedoms are attacked. I don't consider "pre-emptive" strike to be a form of defence though

@ php : how do you kno that there are going to be only 9 billion people in 2600??

I wonder what Hawkings reasoning was, but im sure it aint totally false. After all he's no idiot!

Well, as for oil running out, its a loong while away. Even now Hydrogen fuel is almost totally developed. In about 5-15 years, the first totally H powered cars should be available. And much b4 that, cars which run on both electricity & petrol will be out, thus cutting down oil consumption a lot.

they could easily make a bomb like that........ but i doubt leaders would fund a project like it........

@PHP i dont know....im just guessing..... my friend who is into that sort of stuff says it would be..... so ill go on his word.

Well I think thats alot less then there is now I think there is something like 7 billion just in china..... anyway the earth is capable of supporting alot more people if we didnt polute so bad hehehehe

One solution ... H+ fuel-cell cars.

@M$ Agent : & billion in China??? Theres like 1.2 billion. There are only 6-7 bill ppl in the world!

haha ya, but the way we are multiplying now, we'll easily hit 50 billion in 2600. Ofcourse, there's not nearly enough food to go around, so chances are we wil never get that high.

As for the H powered cars thing, it's bull, it takes more energy to extract Hydrogen than it does to use it. Hydrogen powered cars wont come along for quite a few years yet.

Besides, The oil extraction will start declining from the year 2020 or something, so by 2050 we might just run out of it completely. Imagine a world without plastic, roads and a whole lot of other synthetic material.

That wil radically change the world, I hope in a positive way, but I'm afraid that when we will start running out of petrol, there'll be even more wars, just for the oil, just for that. I don't know if you remember though, a few years back, maybe only 2, Bush refused to lower America's oil production, because "oil is a great source to gain money". Really, I'm looking forward to the end of oil, then we'll see how America will be doing. They take it all for granted, they propably are the most powerful country in the world, but it's all because they're greedy people, not only greedy, they're just megalomaniac and egocentric. They don't care about the world, as long as they're okay. That really pisses me off. Actually, if I could, I would help to knock the capitalistic elite off the throne, and help to make it all democratic, and environment-friendly... But I'm afraid that's impossible.
By the way, we might run out of oil sooner than we think, and it will take millions of years before we will have some new oil. The oil we now pump into our cars could very well be the remains of a Tyranosaur.

well at least by then ill be very old and not so worried

You're right phsyco, for all we know, next time america wants to go to war, they won't even have to come up with an excuse for it like "saving Iraqis", they can just tell the people the truth.

When we run out of oil, we'll all be in trouble, the computer you are using right now is made primarily of plastic, which won't exist without oil

Yeah i read somewhere that computers cost a LOT of resouces to make. Like 200 litres of water and a lot of hazardous metals, I dont remember xactly.

Synthetic oil has been around since WW2 so they will just make what ever amount we need it will just cost more $$$ or maybe it wont.... The reason oil is cheaper right now is becouse the whole industry is already in place. Dont worry about plastic or anything like that silicone can be made into almost anything and thats just sand..... Dont believe everything OPEC says..... Fuel cell based cars will come about when they are more perfected and oil is more expensive.... I will drive an extra 20 miles a day to use up more gas so the Arab nations run out of oil sooner and then they will have nothing left to sell and therefore nothing left to buy bombs and guns with.....

Um M$ first of all if you drive 20 miles per day, then youre giving more money to the Arab nations (which arent all terrorist camps). Also, oil is being mined from Alaska (in limited quantities, they are trying to conserve it tho they have a lot) and even Iraqi oil is now American oil. So....

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Mass racial generalisations and politcal arguments are not a pretty mix, and I don't have nearly enough time to keep a close eye on this thread to make sure it doesn't turn into a flame fest.